Detox Without the Gimmicks: How Your Body Naturally Clears Everyday Toxins

come and go. See? Well, we can go. We're on Love the North podcast. Here we are. Show's in. You're back in summary. Look at this. Michelle, welcome to Love the North podcast, everybody. Yeah. If you haven't watched any of our episodes, if you search like women's health in the Love the North podcast search menu, you're going to see a whole bunch of our shows. Yep. Yeah.

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And today we're talking about something very interesting. We're going to talk about detox, detoxification, energy, and yeah, maybe talking about how to better support your body to have more energy.(...) Which we all need is more energy. Yeah. Because who's getting the proper night's sleep these days? True. You know what? We're sleeping better because it's fall and sudbury and we're getting some crisp evenings. It's really beautiful weather in the daytime and then you can crack your window open at night and then. I love it. I'm loving the color. I've seen the color change. Yeah. It's really beautiful right now in the North for sure. Yeah. Good question though. Could some of the things that we're exposed to every day be quietly affecting our energy and what can we do about it? Are there some things that we can maybe we always think of adding things. I find as a doctor, I'm like, oh, this and this, but sometimes it's take something away. Well, I think one of the things we have to also think about is like, how are we exposed to things? So usually we think about, oh, I got to detoxify because I've been eating something or drinking something. But you know, your lungs are also an interface with the environment. And so, you know, you could be picking a black mold in your wet basement that you haven't had a chance to fix yet. You could be picking up(...) soot in the cities. If you're jogging on the streets, you know, you're doing some really good things for your body. You're jogging, but you're jogging on the city streets. And now if they measured your lungs and took a snapshot of that, they could be a little full of soot from all the diesel that's happening in cities. Right. So yeah, you've got a lot of toxin exposure through even just your water or the things that you apply to your skin. So in the cosmetic industry and in different kinds of soaps or other products,(...) you know, you can think about what is your skin absorbing? Because we all think like it's a it's a permeable membrane or something is waterproof and all that. But it is a semi permeable membrane so you can touch things and absorb things into your skin. Yeah. And air and even indoor air, it's two to five times more polluted indoors. Indoors. Yeah. The paints and the air. And especially if we have like air conditioning, we don't want to open the windows because we don't want to waste energy. So then here we're just recirculating that air inside the house, you know, a little bit sometimes. Getting outside to get some real fresh air in nature is like, you know, now the trees are cleaning the air and exposing you to a much cleaner, more oxygenated air. That's why people will say they feel a lot better when they spend some time outside. Like, isn't the best night's sleep after you've been working outside chopping wood or whatever you have to do? Get ready for winter? Yeah. Yeah. Being outside, moving your body.(...) It's interesting when I talk about detox, a lot of people, like what does detox mean to you? A lot of people think, well, it's this cleanse or a supplement. I have to go on a laxative cleanse for a few days. Yeah. Detox to detox. That's not what we're talking about. No, no, actually your body is amazing. It has, we have all of these natural ways of detoxifying. So that's what I wanted to talk about today. And we want to talk about what are some things you can do to support your beautiful and amazing body's natural detoxification. So you mentioned the lungs.(...) I'm going to talk about four P's, which I like teaching about the four P's. But well, I wrote a short film and it's called Rocks in My Pockets and it's about the healing of the Sudbury landscape. So I grew up in Sudbury. I was born in 1970 when I went to school. What would happen is(...) the school was slightly west of town and the big smokestack was producing all kinds of sulfuric acid in those days. And I remember being in the schoolyard and if the wind was blowing in the western, like towards the west from the east, you could taste that sulfur on your tongue. And it was like, wow, like sulfur. So that's like you can't even if you grew up in Sudbury, like you definitely tasted that. You know what that is.

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And at the time, that tasty stuff was really causing a lot of pollution in the air. And what would happen is those little particles would be in the, you know, we were burning things in those days, burning a lot of rocks and trying to liberate the ore from that. And we built that stack. And of course, it blew the smoke farther away, but still the issue was acid rain. And so acid rain would fall from the sky and it killed all the plants. And so if you drove around here in the early 70s, especially through copper cliff, black rocks, right? This is where in 1968 they came to practice the moon landing. They brought all their equipment up here in black rocks. But then what happened in the later on in the 80s, when I was in high school, they decided, well, maybe we should stop poisoning ourselves. So detoxifying, first of all, reduce your exposure, right? Don't have to add anything. Let's take something away. Let's take away the poison. So they built scrubbers and we stopped putting in Co. Valet stops putting so much sulfuric acid into the air, which allowed nature to heal itself. And so we had to apply a remedy and the remedy was limestone. So as we put limestone on the ground, our environment wasn't so acidic and now nature could grow its little living skin. It's microbiome and microbiome. And that's how that's how the region around Sudbury healed itself from severe toxicity, stop poisoning itself, remedy the problem. So apply like the cure was in this case, limestone. So you had a deficiency of limestone in the environment. So give yourself some lines, don't bring things to a balance and then(...) diversify. It's a great analogy.

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And then, you know, put more supportive things in place to support the whole system. So Jose in your practice, so your doctor, Jose Poulin, we didn't even introduce ourselves. So your doctor, Jose Poulin. I am a doctor. I specialize in women's health, hormones, metabolism, and I love doing one to one work with women in groups. Yeah, it's beautiful. And my name is Rochelle and I'm a pharmacist and I own a very interesting pharmacy on Lawrence Street, along with my friend Lori. And it's a food is medicine pharmacy. So we all know food is medicine. But in our pharmacy, we actually sell real food and we encourage people to eat real food. And we teach cooking classes and somehow connect local people and summary to the farmers who are growing whole foods without any sprays or poisons on it.(...) We didn't even talk about that. But I was going to ask you.

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A source of toxins too. Of course, because if we're going to grow monocultures,(...) nature doesn't really like monocultures. So it sends a lot of its pests in there and weeds in there. And then in order for us to grow those monocultures with a great efficiency, because of course, that is the goal of our profit generated society is like, how efficient can we be? And so in the scramble for efficiency, we spray things on our fields that really aren't very good for us, that require our bodies to detoxify from. And we can go through some examples like, well, growing in the fields, glyphosate could be one example, but a number, atrazine, which causes frogs to be hermaphrodites. And it's like that means(...) the girl frogs and the boy frogs are like combined in the same body. So think of it, infertility, even(...) their hormone disruptors and their neurological disruptors, all of these things that we're spraying on our food. And in really small doses, like listen, you can consume a lot of small doses of(...) poisonous things or toxic things and your body is going to clear it. No problem. If it's a short exposure, you can get exposed to some things. But long term chronic exposure becomes very difficult for your body to keep up. That's why our sort of philosophy today that we're talking about is like, let's look at where's the burden coming from and how can we reduce that burden? Yeah, and it's not like you want to live in a bubble, but I think awareness is key. You start there and then bit by bit, you make small changes like the organic foods and pesticides. But I do. That's a very key message is the endocrine disruption of these chemicals. Yeah. VOCs and like in all the foods. And so what that means is the hormones, your body doesn't know if(...) your body is beautiful. It has all these different hormones and they all work together in signal and send messages for estrogen testosterone, progesterone, cortisol, your thyroid. But then you get that mimicking hormones. So that could be plastics or pesticides and your body doesn't know the difference between real estrogen or this(...) byproduct of plastic. And so then it starts interfering with all the signaling and can cause a lot of issues, like we said, with even like heavy periods and PCOS and(...) even PCOS, polycystic ovarian(...) syndrome. Yeah. And infertility and then even difficulty losing weight. So all these toxins hide in fact, too. And so with a lot of women I work with, we've got to think about these things when you're on a weight loss journey, you're going to be releasing more toxins. Exactly. Because your(...) body as a triage system, as it gets exposed to these toxins, go, OK, what do I do with toxins? So let's explain what does the body do with an exposure to toxins? So toxins are going to enter the body, whatever they've come through my skin or I've eaten them or I've breathed them in. Where does it go? Your main center for detoxification is your liver. Yeah. And so that's it. Now the liver sees that goes, OK, what can I do with this? Can I turn this into something that I can attach to some billy reuben or whatever and just poop it out? Can I get rid of it that way? OK, there's too much. I can't poop it out. Can I turn it into something that'll hit the kidneys and I can pee it out? OK, I can do that for a while. Now there's too much of that. What do I do with these things? I store them in fat. So when your body takes the toxin like DDT, this is what they discovered when when Rachel Carson's wrote her book, Silent Spring. DDT was being stored in the fats of animals and going up the food chain like mercury accumulates up the food chain. And so the eagle's eggs were like not able to form. And that was all of a cause because at the lowest end of the food chain, all of this exposure DDT to kill bugs came up and manifested in the mammals at the top of the or the birds at the top of the food chain. So, yeah, our organs of detoxification can work if the exposure is limited. But if it's too much, then we got to store it.(...) And then when we lose weight, we release it. So you got it. Yeah. So oftentimes I'm like, OK, and you already spoke to it. So, yes, you pee it out. So your kidneys are amazing. They filter it. They filter some of these toxins, pee it out or you can poop it out. And I like talking about poop. You know, I'm a doctor and it just never gets old. But if you're not having daily bowel movements, you can actually, particularly with your excess hormones, so as just excess estrogen, you release through the bile and through your poop. And so if you're not having daily bowel movements, you can actually reabsorb some of these toxins and pluses talk like it's just an extra burden. So that's a key one of really making sure that's filtering through. You said something really quickly that I wanted to make sure we talked about more specifically about plastic and hormone disruptors. So(...) when we build plastic bottles and you've seen this, there was a scare a few years ago around Bisphenol A being in the baby bottles and things, the BPA. And so now we're buying. So what did that mean? Is anybody. Let's just talk about what did that mean back in those days.(...) In the olden days, you had glass bottles and those are fragile and they could break. So we invented plastic oil product in oil industry.

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We did not know. I don't think when we invented plastic to stop us from breaking bottles that the plastic was going to mimic estrogen. And so, you know, after we've consumed a lot of things wrapped in plastic, we're like, oh, like we're starting to see in the human body, estrogen is building up.

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And so, yeah, some problems. So like, you know, one of the simple things you could do at home is like ditch the plastic containers. Don't use a plastic container in a microwave. Try to move to glass. Yeah, glass is really easy to clean. It doesn't you and you've seen your containers. If they're turning orange from having spaghetti sauce in there, you can do is microwave the plastic.(...) Don't do that. My aunt, oh, my gosh, I remember when I was a kid and I'd go to my aunt's and she had made a beautiful soup and she would take this like really thin plastic and put it in the microwave and heat it up really hot. And then we would eat it like that's always going to make. So now we know we just know about it. Don't do that anymore. And in case you didn't know, we're suggesting that. Yes, we're suggesting that's true. And metal to go and throw them all away. But I think it's like nice to buy a container by plastic. Yeah, buy a glass. But then take it out of your plastic container, put it in a ceramic bowl, then go to your microwave. Like, even if you don't want to replace all your containers, you know, that's better chemicals are really active when they're heated up.(...) Right. So the plastic, it's a chemical really. And so if you heat it up, it's going to be more active. So just think about that. The other good opportunity is drinking like bottled water. So get a new bottle. If you are, if you do have plastic, maybe switch to glass or like a surgical grade stainless steel is nice. So you're not getting that. I like the(...) stainless steel bottles with double wall. So if I put something hot in there, she stays hot. And if I put something cold in there, she stays cold. And I like that very much. But yeah, the plastic, it's a challenge. It is a challenge. Especially if you go to like a regular grocery store. Okay, everything is wrapped in plastic.(...) I went to Seasons Pharmacy recently and it was much like lots of local food, paper. And so really, local farmers markets. I even like to with the bottles. Oh, yeah, the pharmacy, we're trying not to put pills in plastic bottles, we have amber glass bottles with lids, so they're protected from light. And then, then I don't have to keep, you know, killing plastic trees, I can just keep recycling the, I can recycle the glass bottles because I have a sanitizer and I can wash them and all of that.

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Yeah, what were we talking about just before that? Oh, I had a really good idea. Oh, avoiding the like plastics from wrapping. Oh, yes, wrapping. Okay, so meat. So interesting. So I live on a farm also people who follow my journey know I live on this farm and I like to raise pork. And I do a butchery class. And so(...) we are very used to going to the grocery store and buying meat that we can see. So we have meat and it's raw in the, it could be frozen too, but it's typically a foam backing with the thing to absorb the fluids and then a plastic wrap on top. But then you know, we all can get these like freezer home freezer bag things. And so when a lot of people are processing their meat at home or going to a butcher, you want the vacuum sealed bags, you can see that Oh, this is a look at how lovely my pork chop is look at the size of the fat cap on it or not. I'm very visual. I like that. I go to the wholesale club and I buy a roll of brown freezer paper, what's brown freezer paper, it's like a layer of wax or something in brown paper and I find that my meat actually lasts longer wrapped in that butcher paper and that's an old product like people like I'm joining the modern times and buying a freezer or vacuum sealer. But I actually find I can taste the plastic in the meat because I've been eating meat wrapped in butcher paper for so long. It's like, Oh, there's something like, especially if it's been in the freezer for a long time, you can sort of taste that. And so even that frozen temperatures, things are still, you know, moving, but that I just love using brown paper that I can burn it in the fireplace after, you know, like it'll decompose properly. It doesn't have to be, you know, sitting in a landfill for years and decades and thousands of years. Yes. One thing I've been working on is trying to replace the plastic, you know, like you have leftovers. And so I recently bought a beeswax. So it's like a cloth and then the lady had covered it with beeswax.(...) Beautiful.

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So beeswax paper is a great option. And what's nice about beeswax? Well, the bees are trying to stay alive. So their wax is all it's all like nature's disinfectant and you know, keep it clean. Like beeswax has some really good properties and it smells nice and it does a really good job of keeping, you know, the reason you wear plastic wrapping things is because we don't want them to dry out. But but that's a very good alternative. Cotton, organic cotton and beeswax makes a great wrap. Wax paper too. You know, I'm not sure maybe it's wax paper a big step up, but maybe I'm not sure. It takes time to because we're all used to these like just the(...) subconscious behaviors that we do. So now awareness and what's a different option. And then gradually doing it, replacing these things. We talked about the personal care household products, which is huge too. So another source is cleaning products,(...) which is a big source of exposures. And I mean, how many(...) even just in the morning, how many(...) how much exposure are we getting even just after your shower? Yeah, like the plastic curtains and what are you using for your toothpaste? But there's Teflon sometimes and the flaws. I have to remind myself, okay, we can't control all these things. Let's pick your pick your poison. Was it pick your poison? Pick your poison. Which poison am I going to offer today? It does put it into perspective. It does put it into perspective. And you could hurt your head if you think about all the things. But we're just giving you some ideas, right? Like don't go home and go, Oh my God, I've been doing everything wrong. No, you we live in the modern world. You haven't been doing everything wrong.(...) You've been just doing everything as as you know, so we're just giving you a little bit of information, try to think about, you know, what are your actual health concerns? If you have any actual health concerns that are really bothering you, then you can start looking at well, what are the easy hits in my life that I could just change one little thing here and one little thing there. You know, over time, you can just you can change a lot of things just one little baby step at a time. I have a friend who texted me and she said, I got rid of my last plastic container and it took her a couple of years. She had accumulated all these, but she had the vision and the plan. So it's a step by step thing. So(...) yeah, I think to recap, it's really number one, a really great way to reduce the burden is the plastics, like reducing plastics, reducing plastic. I really think it's really important to eat food that's still got its life force, that hasn't been knocked down with(...) preservatives and they do a lot of things in the, you know, to try to keep, you know, grocery stores in business, like food rots, like real food rots. So it's not, it's not by some, you know, conspiracy that we have done things to our food system. It's because we want to keep it alive and fresh enough to get to like Sudbury from California or Mexico.(...) But I think, you know, I'm very passionately committed to this idea of eating local with the least amount of poison sprayed on it in a, you know, growing and supporting farmers, farmers who are growing in like(...) a mixed agricultural system instead of like fields and fields of corn or fields and fields of soil. Like you have to spray that stuff with a lot. So I just look at, okay, what food can I get close to me that has the least amount of that? It doesn't matter what city you live in. There's farmers around your city that because of probably a lot of them are tied to some health scare they had in their own life, that they became committed gardeners and then committed farmers. So you find those kind of people that are in your, in the farmland around your city and buy from them. And then you don't have to get your(...) lettuce wrapped in plastic necessarily. You can just buy the head of lettuce, you know, especially if you get to a farmer's market, the packaging is, you're going to see more paper, you're going to see less packaging overall. You can buy cloth bags. We sell the cloth bags at the pharmacy and they're like little mesh bags and they're made out of cotton and you can put your vegetables in there until you get home. And then you put it in the crisper when you get home anyways. So, you know. Yeah, just reducing ultra processed foods, you're actually reducing plastics because you're going to buy food that rots and, and you're getting more nutrition. So your liver, which we talked about needs lots of vitamins like B vitamins, minerals, it needs proteins. So just eating whole foods. We didn't talk about the clean 15. I don't know if you've heard of the dirty. Oh yes, the dirty dozen and the clean 15. Yes. So that's something to be aware of. They test all the foods every year to see what foods have the highest amounts of pesticides. So things like berries are usually pretty high. Green beans, kale. So if you can choose organic, particularly the dirty dozen. So I have a story I went and picked. I have, I live in the forest in Whitefish, which is on a submarine. I picked raspberries and one year I was invited to pick raspberries at one of the local farms. And you can only go certain days because at night they spray. And so it was interesting. So I had cleaned raspberries at my house that I'd picked in my yard and there were so many in particular spiders. Like all kinds of really interesting little spiders live in your, in your, and so it's not a big deal. You're, you're cleaning them, you're picking through them and then you're, you know, plunging them in water and freezing them, whatever. But I noticed for sure when I bought the stuff from the farm, there was not a single insect on a single raspberry. So most people say, oh, gross. You had spiders in your raspberries. Well, the spiders thought that raspberries was food and what everything else thinks that's food. But then they've been poisoned on the other one. So if the poison was strong enough to kill the spiders and all the things like you have to admit that then there's some element of that poison hitting our body and you're okay. We're not an insect, but fundamentally living systems share

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common pathways of the building of a nervous system and the building of a. So yeah, and we're much bigger and so a little bit of poison, I don't know, like to me, I was like, I'm going back. You want a little bit of. I'm going back to those raspberries that had their full complement of a microbiome. And we didn't even go into the trillions of bacteria that live in your gut and help with detox. Yeah, that's true. So they need all those fibers.

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Yeah, so I think we can we can kind of the process was a big one eliminating that and plastics process foods. Here's your four P's. It sounds like we hit the two P's. Okay. So what's the piece number one is P.(...) I work a lot with my patients and my unstoppable women. So we do just boosting your hydration, right? How much water you're drinking, maybe add a couple cups, like try to do two, three liters a day. If you can get a filter or no way your water,(...) like know what's in your water, what kind of filtration system you can get that carbon is a great carbon is a great sequester of toxins. But the bread of filters contain little carbon filters and carbon is really beautiful for catching on to things and holding them, purifying your water, right? Carbon. Otherwise, your kidneys doing all that that works. So you can reduce some of the stress on them. So I think that's a really big opportunity.

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And then switch your bottle with like the glass and the stainless steel.(...) What if the other P is poop? So what do you do when there's a lot of people who do develop constipation with age, or just that any actually there's lots of kids who have constipation. Well, we're like, we're not eating a very fiber rich diet. So if we're eating processed food, you're not getting the fiber and fiber is important for bulk and for making your stools better. But it's also important for attracting a microbiome because microbiome doesn't like preservatives and the additives in processed food. It doesn't attract that your microbiome needs a garden to live in and that comes from fiber and the fiber by actually buying toxins. Damn, close them out because there's carbon in that there's carbon in fiber. It's amazing. So I think women like 25 grams or above per day. I like psyllium husks(...) because they absorb water. And so that's one of the things that kind of you have to drink water if you're gonna eat psyllium. And so the water is good for you and the psyllium is a really nice taste good. It's not hard to get down. It's kind of a neat to see that viscous liquid. And then hydration will help magnesium. I quite like so there's(...) many different forms of magnesium, but magnesium citrate is a nice one or magnesium oxide is another one that's used. It makes you go. Yeah. So some of the supplements can help by making sure you're having a daily bowel movement. It's really important even for you know, colon cancer prevention and things like you're detoxifying and keeping things moving. And for hormones, right? We poop out that extra estrogen. So(...) number two P is the poop. Number three P perspiration. Oh, yeah. So sweating it out. Like you mentioned, and you can sweat by working out by exercise, which has other benefits. And you can also sweat by being in a sauna or in a bathtub. That's too hot.(...) There is because of all the thin landers who moved here. And I love that. Yeah.(...) And you can sweat. You don't get rid of a ton of toxins, but there's been studies done on like forever chemicals, some of the heavy metals, you can sweat them out. Well, it's interesting because apparently after 9 11, they sent all the firefighters who are really sick from all this. Smoke that they had inhaled and they were doing like sauna therapy as part of their rehabilitation when they were exposed to a lot of toxicity through their lungs. Despite all the click, you know, the gear that they were wearing. But there was somebody and everybody remembers videos of that with the smoke that took forever to clear.(...) But yeah, that that stuff's a very hard on your body. And don't forget, like your lung is a super sensitive like the capillaries touch your lungs and it's like one layer thick. So whatever's in your lungs, like only one cell wall getting into your body. The circulatory system is very rich into your lungs. And so(...) that doesn't like when you swallow something, it goes through your liver as a first bypass metabolism gets rid of a lot of poison, but your lungs. That's why, you know, inhaling something goes straight to your head, straight to your body. No filter there. Yeah. Yeah.(...) Perspiration. Oh, I was gonna say though that so the sauna is great. But then you also the movement exercising and sweat. So you have your lymph system, which doesn't have a pump like your heart and circulatory system. So it relies on your movement. So how many of us are standing at our computers? Too many hours a day. So just getting that movement and it's gonna help(...) detoxify all the tissues and help your limbs. Exercises that are great for that are things like chigong or yoga or Pilates. You know, we're using your own body's weight and you're just moving your own body around in space. You know, you don't need a weight room, you can get a weight room. But there are simple things you can do without equipment that really, you know, that(...) make you flexible. As you put your body in those different positions, like, yeah, it engages that lymphatic system and stretches your fascia. There's some exercises. Yeah, very fun. We should do a whole show on just getting them and then we can get moving to. There you go. I like that. And then the four P is process. So your liver, we talked about your liver is the organ that detoxifies everything. So most of us it's overloaded. But yeah, I think reducing the process foods. But a lot of these cleanse diets, like the juice cleanse and what happens is there's different phases and there's phase one phase two of how the liver detoxifies. So for example, if you just do a juice cleanse, you're boosting one of the phases. Yeah, but then the other one kind of backs up because it can't catch up. So a lot of people will feel really unwell with those detox. So I think just giving them the vegetables, vitamins, minerals and then proteins really important. Yeah.

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Well, wow, we have hit so many things in our short program here.(...) So we encourage you just go do some more research if you want to connect with Josie, you're located at yes, so I you can find me online at dr Josie calm. I live in Kelowna. So if you are there, you can find me in person there. But online, dr Josie comm send me any message or questions. I'd love to get on a call and have a conversation.

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Get you even more unstoppable. There you go. And I'm, I'm located at Seasons Pharmacy on Warren Street. So it's Seasons Pharmacy in Cullen area, we're located at 815, Lorne Street. But we have a huge, we have a huge presence online, our websites pretty fun. There's a lot of interesting things happening there. The website there is www.seasonspharmacy.com.(...) And we offer a lot of programming. And it's like, we love to collaborate with love the north podcast, because this is an amazing studio. Like every time we come into the studio, we're going to be doing a podcast. It's like in a more and a more amazing studio. And we love this platform for sharing some information with all of you out there who are in Northern Ontario or anywhere else. I mean, anybody can tap into this program. But we're from the north. And we understand that sometimes in the north, there's not a lot of great resources. A lot of you guys don't have a family doctor. A lot of you guys are, you know,(...) you can go to Dr. Google. But you know, we just feel like, you know, Josie is an expert and has a lot of good experience and awesome grads, the Northern Ontario School of Medicine grad. And so, you know, we just encourage you, you know, you can have a little bit of a filter of a healthcare professional if you work with us.(...) And we're like easily available online. And we're happy to answer questions or push you in the right direction for something. But we're very, very passionate about improving the health and wellness of everybody, just from good information that's pretty simple. But you might not have heard it before. So anyways, one step. So, you know, we're one of those tools empowering you and reminding you that the fundamentals, like a lot of the times it's being consistent with those fundamentals, things that over time will bring you. And you again, choose one thing that we talked about today that you can maybe work on in the next few weeks. That's right. Don't get overwhelmed. It's just one little thing at a time. So yeah, look forward to collaborating more with Rachelle. We do some in-person things online,(...) events and even get some cooking skills, learning some cooking skills from you, Rachelle.

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